1 00:00:00,125 --> 00:00:04,814 If those folks out on the street that Adriana interviewed are representative 2 00:00:04,954 --> 00:00:08,932 many people blame Obama or even past-president George Bush 3 00:00:09,072 --> 00:00:11,870 for the country's current problems and though we have seen 4 00:00:12,010 --> 00:00:15,576 a slew of bad news out for Obama, just to give you a handful: 5 00:00:15,716 --> 00:00:19,288 his approval ratings are 43%. They used to be 69%. 6 00:00:19,428 --> 00:00:22,204 A NY Senate seat historically held by a Democrat 7 00:00:22,344 --> 00:00:26,831 went to a Republican for the first time since 1923. 8 00:00:26,971 --> 00:00:30,801 Solyndra, the solar panel making plant who got stimulus money 9 00:00:30,901 --> 00:00:34,525 is facing bankruptcy and is now a scandal for the administration 10 00:00:34,665 --> 00:00:38,181 and poverty has hit record highs. 11 00:00:38,321 --> 00:00:42,725 But my next guest argues this is not about Obama. 12 00:00:42,865 --> 00:00:45,630 It's not even about politics. 13 00:00:45,770 --> 00:00:50,637 It is about needing a total overhaul of society. 14 00:00:50,777 --> 00:00:54,755 And Peter Joseph, filmmaker and founder of the Zeitgeist Movement 15 00:00:54,895 --> 00:00:57,992 coming off of his inaugural Zeitgeist Media Festival 16 00:00:58,132 --> 00:01:01,035 is here to talk about his solutions. 17 00:01:01,175 --> 00:01:03,518 Thank you for being here. It's nice to see you. 18 00:01:03,658 --> 00:01:06,433 So to start out...- Thank you for having me. - Absolutely! 19 00:01:06,573 --> 00:01:10,890 You argue the solutions to social problems are not politics. 20 00:01:11,030 --> 00:01:16,034 What exactly are the solutions called for by the Zeitgeist Movement? 21 00:01:16,174 --> 00:01:18,380 To understand the solutions you really have to understand 22 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,269 what the problems are. 23 00:01:20,409 --> 00:01:23,831 In the broad view what we're faced with right now is basically the end 24 00:01:23,971 --> 00:01:26,795 of a paradigm with respect to our social system. 25 00:01:26,935 --> 00:01:29,764 It's not ending because of some bad policy 26 00:01:29,904 --> 00:01:33,421 or some political malfeasance or any kind of economic issue. 27 00:01:33,561 --> 00:01:35,721 It's ending because it can no longer sustain itself 28 00:01:35,861 --> 00:01:39,665 by the natural evolution of human society and technology 29 00:01:39,805 --> 00:01:42,591 and the inherent mechanisms that define this system 30 00:01:42,731 --> 00:01:45,900 which are slowly growing out of control like a cancer. 31 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,629 We have a debt-based currency system. 32 00:01:48,769 --> 00:01:51,647 Interest is charged on the money that's loaned 33 00:01:51,787 --> 00:01:54,184 that doesn't exist outright in the money supply. 34 00:01:54,324 --> 00:01:56,142 That, at its very core seed 35 00:01:56,282 --> 00:01:58,593 is really why you see these sovereign debt defaults 36 00:01:58,733 --> 00:02:01,583 corporate debt defaults, personal debt defaults across the world. 37 00:02:01,723 --> 00:02:06,495 We have $60 trillion of private and public debt in America alone. 38 00:02:06,635 --> 00:02:09,139 You can do the math on how much that is per person. 39 00:02:09,279 --> 00:02:12,620 It's only going to grow as well and this is just the nature of this system. 40 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,185 We have an unemployment crisis, which is really driven by technology. 41 00:02:16,325 --> 00:02:19,741 Technological unemployment has been the major attribute 42 00:02:19,881 --> 00:02:22,149 that has moved people from sector to sector. 43 00:02:22,289 --> 00:02:24,579 The illusion of most economists is that they say 44 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:26,931 "Technology is actually creating jobs." 45 00:02:27,071 --> 00:02:29,620 That's actually a convoluted logic. 46 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,714 What happens is (and you can see this if you track 47 00:02:32,854 --> 00:02:37,214 the industrial revolution to the modern point you see this very clearly) 48 00:02:37,354 --> 00:02:40,769 but what happens is we start off with a certain sector: everyone's employed. 49 00:02:40,909 --> 00:02:44,352 Technology comes in, displaces human labor and slowly other sectors emerge 50 00:02:44,492 --> 00:02:48,702 usually on the basis of other technologies. It's a natural consequence 51 00:02:48,842 --> 00:02:52,068 but it actually isn't a resolution and actually isn't creating anything. 52 00:02:52,208 --> 00:02:55,298 What we're going to end up with is the necessity to have everyone either a lawyer 53 00:02:55,438 --> 00:02:57,994 or working in the entertainment industry because there's no way 54 00:02:58,134 --> 00:03:00,692 you're going to have a manufacturing sector with people actually employed. 55 00:03:00,832 --> 00:03:03,509 There's no way you're going to have a service sector with people actually employed 56 00:03:03,649 --> 00:03:07,306 because the cost efficiency that's enabled by technology 57 00:03:07,446 --> 00:03:09,325 overrides the need for human labor. 58 00:03:09,465 --> 00:03:12,159 What happened to Bank of America recently? They just laid off 40,000 people. 59 00:03:12,299 --> 00:03:17,041 Do they understand what they're doing? They're actually laying off... 60 00:03:17,181 --> 00:03:20,932 I just want to get in here to continue the conversation 61 00:03:21,072 --> 00:03:24,725 because how do you separate out... I hear what you're saying about technology 62 00:03:24,865 --> 00:03:27,207 and about the entertainment industry. I've lived in LA 63 00:03:27,350 --> 00:03:31,294 but I do want to know how you can separate out 64 00:03:31,434 --> 00:03:35,574 all of the jobs that we've seen go overseas to countries like China 65 00:03:35,714 --> 00:03:38,937 and all of the people we've seen move into 66 00:03:39,077 --> 00:03:43,730 a financial system that people say is overbanked in this country. 67 00:03:43,850 --> 00:03:48,330 There have been a transition in industry and jobs. 68 00:03:49,020 --> 00:03:51,310 There absolutely have been, but the question is 69 00:03:51,450 --> 00:03:55,948 when you have 96% of the human population mostly in the West 70 00:03:56,088 --> 00:03:58,893 which has the majority of the labor working in the service sector 71 00:03:59,033 --> 00:04:01,253 which is now being replaced by automated kiosks 72 00:04:01,393 --> 00:04:04,844 and many other advanced technological mediums, where is the next sector? 73 00:04:04,984 --> 00:04:07,180 I want to point out that I look at this on a global scale. 74 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,061 I'm not interested in American unemployment or in any country's specifics 75 00:04:11,201 --> 00:04:14,649 because it's one society. It's one world, one economy. 76 00:04:14,789 --> 00:04:17,035 The question to be asked is: 77 00:04:17,175 --> 00:04:21,239 Why will the majority of people eventually be unemployed on the planet? 78 00:04:21,379 --> 00:04:24,757 That's because of technology. You can forget about outsourcing and all of that. 79 00:04:24,897 --> 00:04:27,969 The only thing to learn from that is that industry and its prime motivation 80 00:04:28,109 --> 00:04:32,215 to corporation shareholders, is to make sure they maintain a profit. 81 00:04:32,355 --> 00:04:35,612 Displacing human labor because of the cost-efficiency 82 00:04:35,752 --> 00:04:38,589 enabled by technological automation 83 00:04:38,729 --> 00:04:42,298 is the contradiction and collapse of capitalism 84 00:04:42,438 --> 00:04:45,503 that many economic theorists have talked about for the past 100 years 85 00:04:45,643 --> 00:04:47,550 including John Maynard Keynes. - Right 86 00:04:47,650 --> 00:04:50,565 This is an inevitable evolution and it's not going to stop. 87 00:04:50,705 --> 00:04:52,505 You're saying the problem is capitalism. 88 00:04:52,645 --> 00:04:55,451 What are you saying is the solution? 89 00:04:55,591 --> 00:04:57,983 The solution is a completely different reordering 90 00:04:58,123 --> 00:05:02,540 of how we actually engage materials, how we create production 91 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,855 and how people actually contribute to society. If you recognize this reality 92 00:05:06,995 --> 00:05:09,472 that the market system as we know it which is the bedrock 93 00:05:09,612 --> 00:05:13,004 of the capitalist free enterprise system, whatever you want to call it... 94 00:05:13,144 --> 00:05:16,190 If we recognize this phenomenon as phasing out and mark my words 95 00:05:16,330 --> 00:05:19,077 the jobs are not coming back across the board. They can't! 96 00:05:19,217 --> 00:05:22,023 The system will not enable it by its inherent logic. 97 00:05:22,163 --> 00:05:24,665 When you realize this, you start to open up your mind. 98 00:05:24,805 --> 00:05:26,804 You think to yourself "If technology can provide 99 00:05:26,944 --> 00:05:28,962 all of these tools to enhance production..." 100 00:05:29,102 --> 00:05:32,744 By the way, technological unemployment 101 00:05:32,884 --> 00:05:35,535 is inverse to productivity across the world 102 00:05:35,675 --> 00:05:37,844 which means the less people we have working in industry 103 00:05:37,984 --> 00:05:41,324 the more we apply technology, the more production capabilities 104 00:05:41,464 --> 00:05:43,499 we actually have which is amazing. 105 00:05:43,639 --> 00:05:47,441 What this means is that we can use technology. We can free ourselves 106 00:05:47,581 --> 00:05:49,961 create an entirely different social system 107 00:05:50,101 --> 00:05:54,697 based on maximizing our efficiency hence our sustainability 108 00:05:54,837 --> 00:05:58,013 through advanced methods of production and eventually providing 109 00:05:58,153 --> 00:06:01,838 for literally the entire human species if we put our mind to it 110 00:06:01,978 --> 00:06:05,179 and overcome all the traditionalized barriers that are stopping us 111 00:06:05,319 --> 00:06:09,153 because of this traditionalized notion we think is empirical in society. 112 00:06:09,293 --> 00:06:12,315 - You're calling for something really untraditional, but what is it? 113 00:06:12,455 --> 00:06:17,544 It kind of sounds like getting rid of capitalism and putting in what? 114 00:06:18,776 --> 00:06:21,551 You can give it names. It's about appreciating a train of thought 115 00:06:21,691 --> 00:06:25,395 about what we're doing and how it can actually benefit human society 116 00:06:25,535 --> 00:06:27,531 and create the best public health and safety 117 00:06:27,671 --> 00:06:30,294 providing for as many people on the planet as possible. 118 00:06:30,434 --> 00:06:33,205 If you want to give it a name, you can call it a Resource-Based Economy 119 00:06:33,345 --> 00:06:35,860 or a resource-based economic model because really 120 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,166 what is the foundation of human society? It's resources. 121 00:06:39,266 --> 00:06:41,835 It's resources, not only of the physical gold 122 00:06:41,975 --> 00:06:44,626 food and all of those attributes, it's also the mental resource. 123 00:06:44,766 --> 00:06:49,085 We have people wasting their lives as secretaries 124 00:06:49,225 --> 00:06:51,770 and in industries that don't produce anything 125 00:06:51,870 --> 00:06:53,984 such as Wall Street and advertising. 126 00:06:54,124 --> 00:06:58,090 Can you tell me what they're producing that actually helps anybody directly? 127 00:06:58,230 --> 00:07:00,865 There really isn't anything. These are filler concepts 128 00:07:01,005 --> 00:07:03,768 that actually don't contribute. If you take the approach 129 00:07:03,908 --> 00:07:07,248 that we live off of resources and you organize those resources 130 00:07:07,388 --> 00:07:09,444 you make the most efficient production system you can 131 00:07:09,584 --> 00:07:13,564 based on what technical knowledge allows us to do: scientific understanding. 132 00:07:13,704 --> 00:07:16,897 You reorient society to let people actually engage in occupations 133 00:07:17,037 --> 00:07:21,064 that actually do something, instead of spending all of our high... 134 00:07:21,204 --> 00:07:24,867 taking all of our scientists and putting them on military operations right now. 135 00:07:25,007 --> 00:07:28,722 They could be using that same engineering resource and mental capacity 136 00:07:28,862 --> 00:07:32,197 to benefit all the world's people and create a material abundance. 137 00:07:32,337 --> 00:07:34,317 No one could ever be starving on this planet. 138 00:07:34,457 --> 00:07:39,103 This is statistically proven, even with the current inefficiencies we have now. 139 00:07:39,243 --> 00:07:41,712 To summarize, we have resource-based economic model. 140 00:07:41,852 --> 00:07:44,120 It's a ground-up approach to resource management 141 00:07:44,260 --> 00:07:46,800 and we make everything as efficient 142 00:07:46,940 --> 00:07:51,475 and productive as possible, technically. No monetary evaluation 143 00:07:51,615 --> 00:07:55,014 no monetary association because all that does is interfere 144 00:07:55,154 --> 00:07:57,871 and cause more problems and limit our possibility. 145 00:07:58,011 --> 00:08:00,515 - I want to keep this conversation going because I do want to hit on 146 00:08:00,655 --> 00:08:03,494 a number of things here: What about government? 147 00:08:03,758 --> 00:08:06,899 What does that look like? 148 00:08:07,039 --> 00:08:10,349 What about individual freedom? 149 00:08:11,843 --> 00:08:14,589 - Ask yourself a question: What is individual freedom? 150 00:08:14,729 --> 00:08:17,644 Is it walking into a job that you probably had no control over 151 00:08:17,784 --> 00:08:19,990 in the sense of your necessity for income 152 00:08:20,130 --> 00:08:23,637 more or less a private dictatorship that people go into from 9 to 5? 153 00:08:23,770 --> 00:08:27,610 Is that freedom? Is freedom what you get money for to go and buy? 154 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,512 Is it your freedom to go into a store and pick between 28 different 155 00:08:31,612 --> 00:08:34,447 varieties of cereal that you can choose from. What is freedom? 156 00:08:34,587 --> 00:08:37,394 Maybe not. - The system that we talk about...- Go ahead. 157 00:08:37,534 --> 00:08:39,823 The system that we speak of actually will enable 158 00:08:39,963 --> 00:08:42,585 a level of freedom for human society never before seen. 159 00:08:42,725 --> 00:08:44,894 To answer your question: what is government? 160 00:08:45,034 --> 00:08:47,068 Government is really a failure of the economic system. 161 00:08:47,208 --> 00:08:49,604 What does a government do? They create laws 162 00:08:49,744 --> 00:08:53,296 to regulate economic functions, not to mention all the aberrations 163 00:08:53,436 --> 00:08:56,196 that come from the lack of economic efficiency that we have 164 00:08:56,336 --> 00:08:59,967 meaning violence, property crimes which is the majority of it. 165 00:09:00,107 --> 00:09:04,379 They also engage in military operations against other sovereign nations 166 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,489 so they can better themselves and protect themselves over time. 167 00:09:07,629 --> 00:09:10,619 These are basically the only two things that government actually does 168 00:09:10,759 --> 00:09:14,260 if you really sit down and look at it. Politicians have no technical orientation. 169 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,460 They mirror value systems. They manipulate people's values 170 00:09:17,597 --> 00:09:20,055 so people will identify with them and say "Oh, I like them!" It doesn't matter 171 00:09:20,195 --> 00:09:24,567 if they have a plan. None of these politicians running for the US presidency 172 00:09:24,707 --> 00:09:28,473 have any plan whatsoever as far as what the unemployment issue 173 00:09:28,613 --> 00:09:30,657 and the debt issue really require 174 00:09:30,797 --> 00:09:34,162 what the energy issue really requires, which are firmly technical. 175 00:09:34,302 --> 00:09:37,295 Government in the future will literally be 176 00:09:37,435 --> 00:09:40,779 the management of the planet, producing exactly what we can produce 177 00:09:40,919 --> 00:09:43,325 with the highest efficiency to benefit the world's people. 178 00:09:43,465 --> 00:09:46,368 This is what a true economic model would be. What is economics? 179 00:09:46,508 --> 00:09:49,399 It's defined in Greek as the management of a household. 180 00:09:49,539 --> 00:09:53,330 The planet is our household. A true economic model is proper 181 00:09:53,430 --> 00:09:55,578 efficient management of this household 182 00:09:55,718 --> 00:09:57,931 not the use of money as a commodity 183 00:09:58,032 --> 00:10:00,767 and all the distortion that has emerged from that process. 184 00:10:00,907 --> 00:10:05,757 - But Peter, it sounds a little bit like this is a utopic vision of society. 185 00:10:05,897 --> 00:10:08,895 What is one example you have seen 186 00:10:09,035 --> 00:10:13,534 that you believe that this will work because you've seen it happen? 187 00:10:15,020 --> 00:10:19,843 - First of all, utopia assumes a finality. There's no such thing as a finality. 188 00:10:19,983 --> 00:10:22,465 We're just trying to update society to present-day knowledge. 189 00:10:22,605 --> 00:10:26,649 Remember our notions of economics and politics are based on traditional ideas 190 00:10:26,789 --> 00:10:29,291 that go back hundreds if not thousands of years. 191 00:10:29,431 --> 00:10:32,670 These are completely outdated social structures that do not 192 00:10:32,810 --> 00:10:35,829 resemble any of our scientific ingenuity at this point in time 193 00:10:35,969 --> 00:10:38,133 and our ability to actually to care for the human population 194 00:10:38,273 --> 00:10:40,818 which is what a society is supposed to do, right? 195 00:10:40,958 --> 00:10:43,510 The best example you can have are first nations' people 196 00:10:43,650 --> 00:10:46,003 that actually understood what it meant to live off the land. 197 00:10:46,143 --> 00:10:48,426 They understood the carrying capacity of their region 198 00:10:48,566 --> 00:10:52,982 and that you don't pollute the stream that they drink from 199 00:10:53,122 --> 00:10:55,589 which is something industry does every single day right now 200 00:10:55,729 --> 00:11:00,494 for its necessity to maintain cost-efficiency. The very simplistic notion... 201 00:11:00,634 --> 00:11:04,153 - Let me ask you this then. I don't want to go back and work the land. 202 00:11:04,293 --> 00:11:07,001 I love what I do. I'm a journalist. I enjoy it a lot. 203 00:11:07,141 --> 00:11:08,841 I'm not just going to give that up. 204 00:11:08,981 --> 00:11:12,769 How do you actually make what you're talking about, happen? 205 00:11:14,608 --> 00:11:18,926 The bio-social pressures that will emerge and inhibit your life 206 00:11:19,066 --> 00:11:22,777 and that of your family and everyone else on this planet 207 00:11:22,917 --> 00:11:26,639 through time as this system completely deteriorates will make you question 208 00:11:26,779 --> 00:11:29,680 what you value with respect to what you like to do. 209 00:11:29,820 --> 00:11:33,739 It's not an issue of what any of us like. It's an issue of what is right 210 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:35,879 and what's sustainable for the human species 211 00:11:36,019 --> 00:11:38,514 what will actually work for us a society 212 00:11:38,654 --> 00:11:43,170 without causing conflict and all the deprivation and problems 213 00:11:43,270 --> 00:11:45,640 that continue to deteriorate our standard of living 214 00:11:45,740 --> 00:11:48,072 and create much less safety through society. 215 00:11:48,212 --> 00:11:50,511 If you ask the question "I like to do this" 216 00:11:50,611 --> 00:11:52,312 you'd have to ask yourself why. 217 00:11:52,415 --> 00:11:55,155 Is there anything in your history maybe that you liked to do other than that? 218 00:11:55,295 --> 00:11:57,669 Is there anything in your childhood that you aspired to 219 00:11:57,809 --> 00:12:00,815 that maybe you couldn't do because you had to find a wedge 220 00:12:00,955 --> 00:12:05,104 into this system to make sure you got paid for your occupation 221 00:12:05,244 --> 00:12:08,963 which is what all of us have to do. It's kind of an open question. 222 00:12:09,103 --> 00:12:10,963 I think when people begin to evaluate 223 00:12:11,103 --> 00:12:13,163 what's happening now they will change their values. 224 00:12:13,303 --> 00:12:15,770 They'll begin to see "Maybe I should contribute to society?" 225 00:12:15,910 --> 00:12:18,702 You're speaking to a person who worked on Wall Street and in advertising 226 00:12:18,842 --> 00:12:21,025 two of the most meaningless occupations on the planet. 227 00:12:21,165 --> 00:12:23,488 I know very much about values because I used to identify 228 00:12:23,628 --> 00:12:26,523 with those types of things. I asked myself "What am I doing?" 229 00:12:26,663 --> 00:12:28,723 What am I actually doing to contribute to society? 230 00:12:28,863 --> 00:12:32,055 This waste of my brain... If everyone actually was on the plane 231 00:12:32,195 --> 00:12:34,500 where they could contribute to society, to invent 232 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,741 to engage in a democratic process, to create the world around us technically 233 00:12:39,881 --> 00:12:42,781 that would be a beautiful state. We would have many Einsteins 234 00:12:42,921 --> 00:12:45,412 many Da Vincis, many powerful minds emerge 235 00:12:45,552 --> 00:12:47,365 that are not oppressed by this necessity 236 00:12:47,505 --> 00:12:50,930 to come into a monetary system that restricts their possibility. 237 00:12:51,070 --> 00:12:55,598 What incentivizes them if they don't have the ability to gain anything 238 00:12:55,738 --> 00:12:58,720 other than the good of the people? 239 00:12:58,860 --> 00:13:01,454 They're gaining much more than they'd ever gain in this system. 240 00:13:01,594 --> 00:13:05,096 They're gaining a peace of mind, an understanding. 241 00:13:05,236 --> 00:13:08,191 They're gaining the resources they need and a community. 242 00:13:08,331 --> 00:13:11,080 They're gaining not a competitive, oscillating 243 00:13:11,220 --> 00:13:13,620 defensive posture where you're always out for yourself 244 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,677 in this primitive capitalist system that we have today 245 00:13:16,817 --> 00:13:20,900 which is actually a pseudo social system 246 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,722 because it's assumed by 'the invisible hand' that everyone fighting 247 00:13:23,862 --> 00:13:26,600 among themselves will somehow manifest for the greater good 248 00:13:26,740 --> 00:13:29,156 which is provably not the case. 249 00:13:29,296 --> 00:13:31,433 What we have here is a different value orientation 250 00:13:31,573 --> 00:13:34,136 where when you contribute to society, it comes back to you. 251 00:13:34,276 --> 00:13:37,869 If I have an amazing invention, I invent it not because I want monetary gain; 252 00:13:38,009 --> 00:13:41,532 I know when I invent it, it comes back to me just as it goes to everyone else 253 00:13:41,672 --> 00:13:44,209 and when everyone else invents something or comes up with a new idea 254 00:13:44,349 --> 00:13:46,988 it comes to them and everyone else . 255 00:13:47,128 --> 00:13:51,110 The social interest must become, excuse me... 256 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,600 Self-interest must become social interest 257 00:13:53,700 --> 00:13:57,158 if we expect to survive as a species. Otherwise you're going to see... 258 00:13:57,603 --> 00:14:01,041 - Peter, it doesn't seem like we would be able to convince 259 00:14:01,181 --> 00:14:04,036 a large number of people to do this without conflict 260 00:14:04,136 --> 00:14:07,421 and some would argue that the Bolshevik revolution 261 00:14:07,561 --> 00:14:09,865 showed rulers of the world at that time 262 00:14:10,005 --> 00:14:12,287 what happens if you don't listen to the have-nots 263 00:14:12,427 --> 00:14:15,858 which are who suffer in the capitalist system that you're critical of. 264 00:14:15,998 --> 00:14:18,769 Are we at that moment again, yet? 265 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,226 I wouldn't conflate such issues. 266 00:14:24,366 --> 00:14:26,837 First, you have to step back and look at the technical orientation. 267 00:14:26,977 --> 00:14:30,127 You can't say "This will never happen because of where we are today." 268 00:14:30,267 --> 00:14:32,452 That's the wrong train of thought. If everyone thought like that 269 00:14:32,592 --> 00:14:34,092 we wouldn't be anywhere. 270 00:14:34,232 --> 00:14:36,910 If you realize the technical orientation of what's possible 271 00:14:37,010 --> 00:14:39,613 to meet the needs of the human population, to eliminate war. 272 00:14:39,713 --> 00:14:42,411 If we simply worked together to share resources, to create almost 273 00:14:42,551 --> 00:14:45,680 an infinite amount of energy, if we applied our technology correctly 274 00:14:45,999 --> 00:14:49,992 if we applied these things from the ground up, realizing the train of thought 275 00:14:50,132 --> 00:14:52,927 there's no argument to what we can do from here. 276 00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:55,802 It's simply a matter of getting it done. In my experience 277 00:14:55,942 --> 00:14:59,360 as I engage this movement and I begin to talk to people about this issue 278 00:14:59,460 --> 00:15:02,522 I'm amazed at how fast they realize it. There might be some baggage there 279 00:15:02,662 --> 00:15:05,165 but you're eventually going to hit an exponential increase of people 280 00:15:05,305 --> 00:15:07,490 who want a massive social change. Why? 281 00:15:07,630 --> 00:15:10,149 Because they have to have it. Their survival depends on it. 282 00:15:10,289 --> 00:15:13,814 - But what is it going to be in the form of, some kind of revolution? 283 00:15:14,742 --> 00:15:16,540 - It depends on how you define revolution. 284 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,767 The real revolution is revolution of values 285 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,125 not a violent revolution, not a revolution of overcoming the state. 286 00:15:22,310 --> 00:15:25,360 The Zeitgeist Movement's work is here to bring in people 287 00:15:25,460 --> 00:15:27,995 with a common value set in a global community 288 00:15:28,100 --> 00:15:30,377 (which is why we're a global entity obviously) 289 00:15:30,517 --> 00:15:34,076 and from that pressure, from this mere understanding 290 00:15:34,353 --> 00:15:37,000 change will be affected. Now I could go on other tangents 291 00:15:37,100 --> 00:15:40,670 about how civil disobedience and different programs 292 00:15:40,810 --> 00:15:43,570 could emerge within the movement, but that's irrelevant at this point. 293 00:15:43,710 --> 00:15:46,969 If people understand, as the human species as a whole 294 00:15:47,109 --> 00:15:50,942 what's possible, what the real problem is and what the solution actually is 295 00:15:51,082 --> 00:15:55,552 then it becomes a self-correcting system. The problem is educational. 296 00:15:55,692 --> 00:15:58,281 I think even politicians, even the highest level 297 00:15:58,421 --> 00:16:00,740 people in government, will wake up to this 298 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,290 and eventually the transition will emerge on its own accord. 299 00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:06,280 - That's pretty optimistic considering how much 300 00:16:06,420 --> 00:16:08,355 the political elite benefit from their power 301 00:16:08,495 --> 00:16:11,580 but I appreciate you being here to sort this all out with me 302 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,208 and tell us your theories and answer some of the questions 303 00:16:14,308 --> 00:16:16,210 that come out of them. That was Peter Joseph 304 00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:18,176 filmmaker and founder of the Zeitgeist Movement 305 00:16:18,316 --> 00:16:20,625 fresh off the Zeitgeist Festival.